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”Motivation: Why can’t we get it?”

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Motivation continues to be the hot topic. We have plenty of research and documentation on the topic this group focuses on, “Why can’t we get it?”

Good Grades No Predictor of Success (5 posts)

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  • Avatar Image David Langford said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Citations, discussions and comments on grades.

  • Avatar Image David Langford said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Good Grades No Predictor of Success

    “Like intelligence test scores, achieving good grades and high class position are also poor predictors of future success in life. Consider the study that followed valedictorians and salutatorians from the 1981 graduating classes of Illinois high schools. It was found that, while these students had the attributes to ensure school success, these characteristics did not necessarily translate into real world success. By their late 20s, these superior students had reached only average levels of success in life. Only one in four were achieving at the highest levels in their chosen profession and the rest were doing much less well. Karen Arnold professor of education at Boston University, one of the researchers tracking the valedictorians, explains, “To know that a person is a valedictorian is to only know that he or she is exceedingly good at achievement as measured by grades. It tells you nothing about how they react to the vicissitudes of life.”

    In the fascinating book, The Millionaire’s Mind, Thomas J. Stanley and Jon Robbin, a Harvard-trained mathematician, did in-depth statistical research to identify which variables caused people to become super wealthy and successful in business. Their research found that, contrary to popular belief, there was no significant statistical correlation between how successful these individuals were later in life and their grades in school, their class position, or their SAT scores.

    In another revealing study done in 1998, it was found that 15 percent of the individuals on Fortune’s 400 list of wealthiest people either did not start college or dropped out. Amazingly, these 58 dropouts’ average net worth was not less but more than their contemporaries” and not by a little bit. Their average net worth was $4.8 billion, which turned out to be 167 percent higher than their college-graduating peers, who averaged $1.5 billion. And when these individuals who were not suited to the school system were compared to those who graduated from our most prestigious Ivy League schools, such as Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, it was found that their net worth was 200 percent higher.

    The founder of Kinko’s, Paul Orfalea, did poorly in the school system, and he recounts that to bolster his feelings his mother use to tell him, “The A students work for the B students, C students run the business, D students dedicate the buildings.” Consider that five of the most important minds of the 21st century that are shaping the information age did not even finish college: Bill Gates and Paul Allen, founders of Microsoft; Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs, founders of Apple; and Michael Dell, founder of Dell computers.”

    To find out what made some scientists and engineers more productive than others at the famous think tank, Bell Laboratories, Janet Caplan and Robert Kelly discovered a startling fact that they wrote about in the Harvard Business Review. “As it develops, academic type success was not a good predictor of on job productivity nor was IQ discovered to be a factor.”51 Sternberg says, “Many people who get good grades in school have come to be quite smug about their intelligence even in the face of repeated failure outside of the classroom.”57

    In the fascinating book, The Millionaire’s Mind, Thomas J. Stanley and Jon Robbin, a Harvard-trained mathematician, did in-depth statistical research to identify which variables caused people to become successful in business and super wealthy. Their research found that, contrary to popular belief, there was no significant statistical correlation between how successful these individuals were later in life and their grades in school, their class position, or their SAT scores. (In another revealing study done in 1998, it was found that 15 percent of the individuals on Fortune’s 400 list of wealthiest people did not start college or dropped out. Amazingly, these 58 dropouts’ average net worth was not less but more than their contemporaries—and not by a little bit. Their average net worth was $4.8 billion, which turned out to be 167 percent higher than their college graduating peers, who averaged $1.5 billion. And when these individuals who were not suited to the school system were compared to those who graduated from our most prestigious Ivy League schools, such as Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, it was found that their net worth was 200 percent higher.50″

    Author JW Wilson: http://www.crackingthelearningcode.com/element2.php

  • Avatar Image David Langford said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Why do we continue to promote, protect and automate a grading system, when the evidence is clear it does not lead to motivation nor success after high school?

  • Avatar Image Janet said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Hi David
    Your post is making my brain wiggle around from lack of new synapses!

    From what you’ve written, it seems to me that the authors use a grading scale themselves. They seem to be using wealth, or “high degree of achievement” in a field as a grade A. All others are something other than an A. I wonder how they evaluated/handled validictorians who have differing values regarding what achievement or success looks like.

    Perhaps humans in our culture tend to promote these kinds of systems because it allows us to look at a single attribute or a few attributes, and feel good about ourselves as we reach conclusions about a whole (a Person) we can’t so easily measure or evaluate. I am speculating here; I don’t know the answer to your question — but I would be interested in hearing the reasons you think drive continued use of grading.

    Who is responsible for motivation and success before, during or after high school?

    Janet

  • Avatar Image David Langford said 1 year, 3 months ago:

    Hi Janet,

    I think the real message from these studies is that our systems are not predictors of success. If the grading theory is correct, people who get good grades should achieve more in some aspect of life. But the evidence is clear that those who win the grading game do not have significant advantage over those who do not. Therefore why do we continue to place so much reward and recognition on grades. If I cannot know who among students will be great, why would I want to limit their future by ranking them artificially.

    Motivation belongs to the the individual. Most of what we do in organizations limits the motivation of the individual. Grading is a good example. Students can be well motivated to learn, but when they encounter the grading game they start to look demotivated. So, we then try to do things to them to ‘motivate them’ inside a system that is steadily demotivating them. Want to see motivation emerge try changing the system instead of trying to change the individual.

    David